It’s a Real Fight

Ephesians 6:12

“For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age,[a] against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.”

Matthew 24:24

“For false christs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the elect.”

I have two points I’d like everyone to consider before getting into this.

First, this information is years old.  My eldest daughter keeps sniggering at me, because I’m so far behind the curve on all of this stuff.  She’s been aware for years, but never wanted to get into with me.  I’ve always said that Conspiracy Theorists are a bunch of loons.  Facts, however, are facts.  It’s impossible to deny documented information and direct quotes.

Second, this all has to do with the Vatican and their role in the UFO and alien topic. I personally have serious doubts about the leadership in Rome when the Pope came out not long ago in favor of evolution.  Why evolution is anti-biblical is outside the scope of what I want to cover here.  Suffice it to say that both the geologic record and theology disprove evolution conclusively.

I wrote on the geologic record in 2014. Here’s the link, if you want at least the geologic reasons evolution isn’t supported by the fossil record:

In short, I’m extremely leery of the Roman Catholic church at the top. I am in no way am questioning the Christianity of Roman Catholics, their sincerity, or their salvation.  Not my job.  If their beliefs are in line with scripture, who am I to argue otherwise?

Here we go –

This is a summary of an article about the L.U.C.I.F.E.R. Device, owned at least in part by the Vatican, operated by the Vatican right next to the Vatican Observatory on Mt. Graham in Tucson. Obviously, it’s an acronym for the descriptive name it was given.  It isn’t a perfect match, and my first question has to be, “Couldn’t they have come up with just about any other name?!?”

To my first caveat above, the article came out 1/29/2013.

The authors visited said observatory to learn more about the facility, the Lucifer Device, and generally what the Vatican’s interest is in outer space. Their first stop was the Vatican Advanced Technology Telescope or VATT.  The VATT is seven stories high!  Not exactly your backyard telescope.

“The primary mirror is so deeply-dished that the focus of the telescope is only as far above the mirror as the mirror is wide, thus allowing a structure that is about three times as compact as the previous generation of telescope designs.”

That’s the technical way of saying it’s state of the art and can see a damn long ways into space.

They asked “…the Jesuit Father on duty that day (whom we got on film) who told us that among the most important research occurring with the site’s Vatican astronomers is the quest to pinpoint certain extrasolar planets and advanced alien intelligence.”


Indeed, the openness with which the Father discussed UFOs “…stunned us as we sat in the control room, listening to him…speak so casually of the redundancy with which UFOs are captured on screens darting through the heavens…we were shocked at this, how ordinary it seemed to be.”

They also had an interview with Jesuit priest, Guy Consolmagno. Guy often acts the Vatican’s spokesman.  He is a leading astronomer and has “…worked at NASA and taught at Harvard and MIT…”

Bypassing all of the blah-blah-blah and cutting to the chase, Consolmagno shared with them a private article in pdf, “…in which he admits how contemporary societies will soon ‘look to The Aliens to be the Saviours of humankind.’”

He actually uses the story of the Nephilim from Genesis to present a theologically sound position that humans are not the only intelligence created by God. The authors’ reaction?

“Did the Vatican’s top astronomer actually mean to use the story of the Nephilim from the Bible as an example of the kind of “space saviors” man could soon look to for salvation?”

That’s a pretty wild thing to even hint at! The Nephilim (giants) described in Genesis were the product of fallen angels bastardizing the human gene pool.  The goal?  Ruin the line to Eve’s Seed and thence salvation.  They are the reason given for the Flood and the Israel’s reluctance to conquer Canaan when God said to.

How would the fallen angels and their evil offspring become mankind’s saviour?

“Observatory director, Father Josè Funes who has gone equally far, suggesting that alien life not only exists in the universe and is ‘our brother’ but will, when manifested, confirm the ‘true’ faith of Christianity and the dominion of Rome.”

True faith?!? I seem to recall Jesus being quoted as saying. “I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life.  No man comes to the Father but by me.”  Call me crazy, but He spoke in first Person singular.  No room for adding in additional saviours and information.

As the authors dug deeper, questioned more, and followed up, they were told “…how some Vatican theologians accept the possibility that an extraterrestrial species may exist that is morally superior to men—closer to God than we fallen humans are—and that, as a consequence, they may come here to evangelize us. Father Guy Consolmagno took up this same line of thinking…in his book, Brother Astronomer: Adventures of a Vatican Scientist…”

Weird enough for you yet? Can you imagine being required to renounce your faith in favor of a more enlightened understanding from those evangelizing aliens?  Father Giuseppe Tanzella-Nitti can.

The good Father is an Opus Dei theologian of the Pontifical University of the Holy Cross in Rome.

“Giuseppe states this would not immediately oblige the Christian ‘to renounce his own faith in God simply on the basis of the reception of new, unexpected information of a religious character from extraterrestrial civilizations,’ but that such a renunciation could come soon after as the new ‘religious content’ originating from outside the Earth is confirmed as reasonable and credible…(and may require) conducting a re-reading [of the Gospel] inclusive of the new data…’”  (emphasis added)

And, according to former Vatican Observatory vice director, Christopher Corbally –

“…While Christ is the First and the Last Word (the Alpha and the Omega) spoken to humanity, he is not necessarily the only word spoke to the universe…”  (emphasis added)

Which brings us to the reason for The Lucifer Device.

“LUCIFER is curiously described on the Vatican Observatory website as ‘NASA AND THE VATICAN’S INFRARED TELESCOPE CALLED [LUCIFER]—A German built, NASA and The Vatican owned and funded Infrared Telescope… for looking at NIBIRU/NEMESIS.’… Nibiru and Nemesis are hypothetical planets that supposedly return in orbit close to the earth after very long periods of time. They have been connected in modern myth with ‘Planet X’.”

Lucifer is an infrared telescope. Why would someone want that?  Some UFOs cannot be seen with the naked eye; only infrared.  We only ever see camera phone videos on TV and YouTube.  They are shaky, unfocused, and rarely definitive.  However, “…some of the most astonishing UFOs ever caught on film have been recorded with infrared.”

So the Vatican is interested in UFOs and aliens. It is prepared to accept a different, “enlightened” gospel from what they had been entrusted with.  Further, they are willing to compel the faithful to renounce their faith in favor of an “alien’s” story, it’s enlightened version of God and the Bible.

If you want to see the whole article with much more detail, here is the link:

For further information, following is a list of articles with their links and some key quotes from each.

ALIEN LIFE FULL DISCLOSURE VATICAN & NASA NOW TALKING (2012);_ylt=AwrBT9G78k1X.LQA2EBXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA2Noci15aWUxMQRncHJpZAMxcG5qM29NdVFrNjlLYmpaS3RuVE1BBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMzBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzIxBHF1ZXJ5A3ZhdGljYW4lMjBvbiUyMGFsaWVucwR0X3N0bXADMTQ2NDcyNjQ1OA–?p=vatican+on+aliens&fr2=sb-top-search&fr=chr-yie11

“Allow science to lead us…without going into it with ideology.”

How would it change the church’s teaching?

“Maybe our understanding of perennial truths needs to be updated…How God created…it’s not about the question of original sin, the Adam & Eve story, but how that played out.”

We have to make sure that science is not in some way ideologically driven. We have to make sure that religion and faith are not ideologically driven.  Faith and reason go together.”  Father Jonathon  Morris on Fox News.

Vatican Astronomers Believe In Aliens by Elliot Hill;_ylt=AwrBT9G78k1X.LQA2EBXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA2Noci15aWUxMQRncHJpZAMxcG5qM29NdVFrNjlLYmpaS3RuVE1BBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMzBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzIxBHF1ZXJ5A3ZhdGljYW4lMjBvbiUyMGFsaWVucwR0X3N0bXADMTQ2NDcyNjQ1OA–?p=vatican+on+aliens&fr2=sb-top-search&fr=chr-yie11

“Who says religion can’t adapt and change with the times, eh?”

Father Jose Funes, Dir of Vatican Observatory in Rome – “It is probably there was life and perhaps a form of intelligent life…I don’t think we’ll ever meet a Mr. Spock.”

“The Pope is recognizing change and he’s recognizing science…need to make religion and Catholicism relevant.” This is about the growing secularization of society. It’s about survival.

Vatican’s man says Aliens exist & describes them – 2014;_ylt=AwrBT9G78k1X.LQA2EBXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA2Noci15aWUxMQRncHJpZAMxcG5qM29NdVFrNjlLYmpaS3RuVE1BBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMzBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzIxBHF1ZXJ5A3ZhdGljYW4lMjBvbiUyMGFsaWVucwR0X3N0bXADMTQ2NDcyNjQ1OA–?p=vatican+on+aliens&fr2=sb-top-search&fr=chr-yie11

What would you say to those who say aliens are already around us?

We can’t think any longer whether it’s true or false…These beings are real. We can’t have doubts.

Aliens in the Vatican;_ylt=AwrBT9G78k1X.LQA2EBXNyoA;_ylc=X1MDMjc2NjY3OQRfcgMyBGZyA2Noci15aWUxMQRncHJpZAMxcG5qM29NdVFrNjlLYmpaS3RuVE1BBG5fcnNsdAMwBG5fc3VnZwMzBG9yaWdpbgNzZWFyY2gueWFob28uY29tBHBvcwMwBHBxc3RyAwRwcXN0cmwDBHFzdHJsAzIxBHF1ZXJ5A3ZhdGljYW4lMjBvbiUyMGFsaWVucwR0X3N0bXADMTQ2NDcyNjQ1OA–?p=vatican+on+aliens&fr2=sb-top-search&fr=chr-yie11

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21 thoughts on “It’s a Real Fight

  1. Wow. I had no idea they believed this?! I was born in Roswell, NM. I am going to send my dad this link. Entertaining to read! Scary that this is actually…taken serious. I was very into those stories in the bible (which I believe to have actually happened, btw). The sci-fi geek in me was definitely intrigued. But for the Vatican to twist, pervert and add to? Wow. Just…wow. And I don’t believe any other life form (even aliens…if they actually did exist) are from God or are remotely like God or to EVER be honored as a God or savior. Wow. Scary this is what our world has come to! And perfect way to begin the post. That was one of the scriptures that I remember learning in AWANA’s as a child that seemed the hardest for me to memorize, at the time. And the one that has stuck with me the most. For good reason. 😉

  2. I agree with you about the nephilim and evolution. Most christians agree God made the world Some just argue about the speed of production 😁 at erin I worked with awana club in fiji.
    R u saying aliens exist jeff or pointing out others opinions. ?
    Just trying to clarify
    I agree with you the Catholic Church is a lot closer to Jesus at the grassroots level than in the upper echelons
    Their contribution to alleviating poverty has to be commended
    Copying s.e.t.i ( a similar greenback toilet tosser ) seems a serious mistaken shift in direction
    I will never deny my Jesus
    Interesting these particular catholics n Muslims want to replace His revelation

    • I believe aliens exist, but that they are demons leading us astray. In ancient times they were the Greek Gods. We’re not likely to buy into that any more so they’ll come as aliens, and the top Vatican officials are part of it, prepping us for their arrival. Take a look at my four parter last January, “Giants, Old Testament Slaughter…”

      • Ok I will. Do you think the phoenicians or original Palestinian people ( not current mob of claimants) have links to the interbreeding of humans and demons. ? Goths call sexual demons incubi or succubi. Some people worship angels. Godly angels forbid this in the bible. The interesting thing is Christianity stands alone as a religion that doesn’t claim a god being born as a result of human effort. They either go down that angle or the world creating itself without bothering to explain its obvious origins in a divine creator who loves us more than death

      • To your question at the top: I can only make a guess. First, when you say “original”, I’m thinking Old Testament. In that case, yes. The Israelites wouldn’t enter Canaan because of the giants/Nephilim.

        Are there still Nephilim today? I have seen pictures of people with 6 fingers, but I don’t think I can say definitively that they are descendants. Still, I think they may still be around somewhere and will play a role in the end times per Revelations.

  3. Hmm… this one’s interesting… I’ve never heard of this before so it’s new to me.
    If it were true, I still would not change my faith. Only Jesus Christ for me is the way, the truth and the life!

    • And that’s good! As I wrote, I’m not judging anyone for whatever church they are affiliated with. When I read this sort of thing, it does need to be talked about. Matthew 24; Jesus’ command to watch! Some stuff doesn’t pass muster, but a lot more than I expected does.

      • Well it’s good that you’re promoting awareness for this kind of things… I think Christians should also know why they believe what they believe in, and not just blindly follow what they are accustomed to. This way, it is not easy for their faith to be shaken.

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